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Being Non-White in a White Profession - Shared screen with speaker view
Karla Rodriguez
16:28
Hello Ford! Good to be here
Francisco O. Conrado
17:53
Hey, everyone! Glad to be here! Looking forward to the panel! :)
Breanne Pierre
18:02
Hello everyone, I am a sophomore at Florida Agricultural & Mechanical University in the Vet Tech Program
Alena Brown
22:36
Hello Everyone ! My name is Alena I am a recent Grad of Wesley College, Biology Major with a Minor in Chemistry. I am super excited to be here! I am also interested in Research/Mixed animal medicine
Rebecca Russo
23:25
Hi Alena! Nice to meet you...so glad you could join us.
Takia Williams
24:57
GO DUKE!
Mark Cayabyab
28:53
What's the one thing you wish more pre-vet students of color should know more about Tufts?
nichole henry
30:54
When writing your essays for applications what experiences did you pull from when the question of why you wanted to be a vet came up?
nichole henry
34:14
remember to make sure you guys are muted!
Athema Etzioni
43:47
Hi Everyone. Nichole, that is a great question. As a vet alumna of Tuskegee University and Admissions Committee member, I would recommend including experiences that make you unique. It is fine to start with “ever since I was a child” story line. However, don’t forget to talk about what experiences make you a formidable choice for the DVM program. Not only saying I have pets that I help, but saying I learned how to place intravenous catheters or I would show cattle at 4-H events. Include the versatility of your veterinary experiences. During your interactions with a veterinarian and/or veterinary staff, ask questions and involve yourself. It is surprising to interview some individuals that have hundreds of “vet hours” and can’t tell me where blood is drawn. “arm vein” is not the answer. Ask questions and read about what you experience to make your experience more enjoyable and fulfilling.
Mark Cayabyab
44:37
I’m looking for grocery stores that sell ethnic ingredients, safe space, or resources for us
Krishana
45:02
Patel Brothers is 10 minutes away from campus and is full of ethnic foods and spices at affordable prices!
Krista
46:13
how does tufts actively recruit students of color or non white students? And is there a support program in the school for minorities?
Nia Brown-Fonrose
46:17
Have any of you completed a master’s degree prior to going to Tufts? If so, what was your specialization and how did is it helping you in vet school?
nichole henry
46:19
thank you very much Athema! your advice is definitely valued as Tuskegee is my number 1 choice!😁
Dr Hicks-Nelson
46:48
Recent alumna, it was difficult living in North Grafton but my family and I enjoyed living in Worcester. Don't let bias stop you from housing that is welcoming!
nichole henry
47:05
yes, sorry!
Karla Rodriguez
47:38
Hi Dani, how was your experience transitioning from Perú to Massachusetts?
elishabuie
48:51
Hello my name is Elisha and I have a question for miss Krishana. How do you cater to a demographic that is not able to afford veterinary help?
Takia Williams
49:05
So, I was on the path to obtain my MD, but instead I decided to go with a career that made me happy and fulfilled and not necessarily my pockets. So with that, I have so many shadowing hours in human medicine and vet medicine. Should I include my human medicine hours on my application?
nichole henry
50:03
Thank you! very insightful 😁
Rebecca Russo
50:52
Yes, please include all health care and/or research experience in your application. You'll want to mention your transition from human to vet as well..
Brianna Taylor
51:18
During this Covid time I have found it extremely hard to find shadowing opportunities, internships, volunteer availabilities etc! Not only that it seems as if no Vets want to offer opportunities! Anyone facing the same problems?
Krishana
51:27
Hi Elisha! So I can only speak for my experience with my Uncle Doctor - he has payment plans for his clients who cannot pay the full price at one time, and often reduces the price of procedures for clients who are in need. Of course, this may not be feasible for all vets. But because he has his own blood, x-ray and ultrasound machines, he can adjust prices when the time comes. I hope to be able to do the same when I have my own clinic one day!
Takia Williams
51:36
I will definitely do that! Thank you Rebecca!
Nia Brown-Fonrose
52:46
Have any of you experienced imposter syndrome before applying to vet school and/or while attending vet school? If so, how did you overcome it?
Olivia Pea
53:28
There's also a market called "Binh An Market" in Worcester on Green st!
D'Nae
53:38
Is 5 years too late to apply (again)?
Krishana
53:47
It's NEVER too late to apply!
Athema Etzioni
53:59
Nichole and all, are very welcome! I found out about this forum about 2 hours ago and thought it was very cool and I wish the word would have been spread across campuses. These are great questions and answers by all and many more need to hear these conversations. Glad it is recorded and will be shared. :)
D'Nae
54:13
Nia, I love your question.
Nia Brown-Fonrose
54:34
Thank you! :)
elishabuie
54:40
Thank you, because I am in a similar environment and wanted to open a clinic in the future to support minorities who aren’t knowledgeable about veterinarian medicine.
Daniela (Dani) Lopez Goicochea
55:53
I started vet school 5 years after graduating college so its never too late :)
Brianna Taylor
55:59
What were everyone’s graduating GPA? I’m almost afraid of getting a C in a class due to the intense competition of getting into Vet school!
Athema Etzioni
57:11
TAKIA! In my opinion only, you should absolutely include the versatility of your experiences. Again, it is a breathe of fresh air to see something different. I work with a veterinarian who is the smartest person I know. His dad was a veterinary ophthalmologist. So he grew up in vet med and he did everything but to try NOT to be a vet. He was a firefighter, paramedic, EMT, amongst other careers prior to giving into his true love of being a veterinarian. I would have loved to read his letter to vet school, he is an Auburn DVM grad.
Athema Etzioni
59:36
In some courses, we have learned diversity amongst animal systems physiology, anatomy, surgery, etc. Have some experience working with humans is definitely a plus. Some people think you don’t like people and that is why you go into vet med. However, quite the contrary. You have to be able to communicate well with humans that bring their animals in to you, to see where to start.
Mark Cayabyab
01:01:40
How do you all manage your student debt? Often many veterinarians discourage students of color or students from a working-class background because the vet med profession is very expensive with a lot of debt and not comparable to human med.
Mark Cayabyab
01:01:55
In terms of salary
Takia Williams
01:02:11
Athema, thank you so much for your feedback! I use to give myself the excuse that I am too emotional to be a vet and wanted to become a Ortho Surgeon. But, I felt something was missing. So after preparing myself to be a MD since high school, I thought following my true calling of being a vet would be an emotional rollercoaster, but in all honest, it feels RIGHT! I am happy I learned so much on the human medicine side of things and will definitely be including my experience in my application. Even though I plan to work with animals, I still have to also work with humans (owners) as well.
Dr Hicks-Nelson
01:03:22
My GPA was so low, my undergrad mentor suggested I don't apply to vet school. I ended up applying right after my senior year in undergrad and doing a working gap year as a tech assist. My GPA was 3.1. I got on the wait list and then got in. Not saying don't reach for the stars as a pre-vet, but cut yourself some slack. Also, if classes aren't your thing or you have other factors that impacted your performance in classes, don't be afraid to express those things in your supplement / statement.
Athema Etzioni
01:06:35
Go for your goals. Don’t let people break you or deter you for what you know you can accomplish. I completely agree, I had people telling me to go to trade school when I was in undergrad. I went on to accomplish what I set out despite the negativity. I used the negativity to push me toward positivity. Also, using my family’s positive encouragement to also push me forward.
Alena Brown
01:07:20
How did you guys manage your time during the application process? Especially if you applied to multiple schools..i am applying to 6 and am like overwhelmed
Athema Etzioni
01:07:28
Everything he is saying is absolutely true
Alena Brown
01:09:17
omg physics is terrible ! probably cried a few times LOL
Takia Williams
01:09:41
Biochem= shouldn’t exist lol
Athema Etzioni
01:09:42
I do my best when I am busy. Different things work for different people. Staying busy didn’t give me down time to worry or think negatively about the process. For Tuskegee, we had to hand-write our admissions essay. Needless to say, it took me a few tries to get it legible.
Athema Etzioni
01:10:10
Sometimes the interview is to make sure we are dealing with a human
Athema Etzioni
01:11:18
You have to have an outlet, not just in the application process, but also during vet school. It can’t be all study and burnout after one week. Be well rounded.
Veronica Sanchez
01:12:09
Hi everyone, I had a question regarding mental health. As we all know this profession tends to take a toll on many of those in the field. How have you all dealt with the stress of doing well in your courses while maintaining relationships with non vet students? What about the pressure to do well from your family?
Athema Etzioni
01:13:18
Veronica, having an outlet or more than one outlet helps. Talking to pople
nichole henry
01:13:20
How did everyone develop your study habits and time management skills?
Athema Etzioni
01:13:41
didn’t mean to press enter. Talking to others about it helps.
Kiana Green
01:15:13
For those who are still in Vet school or already in the profession, how do you deal with racism in school or the workplace? (Ex. From other students, professors and clients) My apologies for the broad question.
Athema Etzioni
01:16:21
Kiana, brush it off. Don’t let it consume you. Sometimes racism or race misunderstanding comes from people that look like you.
Athema Etzioni
01:18:52
You are where others want to me. Be proud of who you are and where you are. Throw it back at them. If they ask you “do you belong here or are you from here” ask them the same question. Put them on the spot.
Rebecca Russo
01:19:53
Derek, you are one of the most distinctive people I know!
Tina Tran (she/her/hers)
01:20:43
it can be difficult to brush it off or throw it back at them if these comments are being made by someone in a position of power, ie. faculty.
Dr Hicks-Nelson
01:21:34
For me it can be as simple as saying "I thought more highly of you. You should look up why that is discriminatory." I'd be interested in hearing from others, but for me I don't enjoy doing free inclusion training for randos. Just my 2 cents.
Tatiana N. Henry
01:22:39
For me, community and getting involved in the existing structures for diversity & inclusion were very helpful, both to have both an outlet and a means of action.
Alena Brown
01:24:56
essays and experiences
Olivia Pea
01:25:22
I have to leave everyone but my info is Olivia.pea@tufts.edu
Victoria Perez
01:25:24
Thank you!
Alexa Kravitz
01:25:30
Thank you for the insight!
nichole henry
01:25:38
Thank you Olivia bye!
Athema Etzioni
01:31:47
Sometimes, the best notes are those written in the margin or on those scraps of paper Derek talked about!
nichole henry
01:32:31
I can vouch for that!
Athema Etzioni
01:33:59
Writing questions from your notes and answering them as you study are also good. I made my best grades when I made time to do this. Index cards are good as well. Writing them out is one way to review the information, but also looking through them while standing in line at the bank or in a drive thru, etc can help.
Athema Etzioni
01:34:56
Different study habits work for different people. Also as Rachel said, different study tools work for different classes as well. Play with it to see what works with each class. Study groups work for some.
Alena Brown
01:36:05
I love how real that was lol
Derek
01:37:04
In case anyone has to dip slightly early, you can contact me at derek.standlee@medvet.com, I'm so-so at expedient replies, but I get there in the end, I promise!
Tatiana N. Henry
01:39:17
The best advice I got from a vet student my first year was to ignore other people talking about how much they study if it just stresses you out! Some people will spend every night in the anatomy lab, and some do well with less study time. Once you figure out what works for you, try not to compare to others.
Athema Etzioni
01:42:32
You can also pick up relief vet work here and there to supplement your salary. I enjoy relief work even with being in academia and diagnostic medicine.
Dr Hicks-Nelson
01:43:05
Ditto, in a residency, doing relief work because I wanna, having a dandy time.
Daniela (Dani) Lopez Goicochea
01:46:46
My email is daniela.lopez_goicochea@tufts.edu for anyone that would like to contact me!
Rebecca Russo
01:47:09
Ford Barnet
Rachel Park
01:47:14
Mine is rachel.park@tufts.edu. Feel free to contact me with any questions!
Krishana
01:47:17
my email is KrishanaLRaghubeer@gmail.com and please feel free to hit me up about anything!
Athema Etzioni
01:47:44
I was the first president and founding member of the pre-Vet Club at Xavier University of Louisiana at New Orleans where I went to undergrad. We were 9 members deep. When I became a vet student at Tuskegee, I hosted the Pre-Vet Club from XU who where then 15 members. And there was no pre-vet program, only pre-med program.
Rebecca Russo
01:47:48
Associate Director of Admissions, ford.barnet@tufts.edu, for an admissions consultation
Tatiana N. Henry
01:48:12
Mine is tatiana.henry@tufts.edu, always happy to answer any questions as well! :)
Athema Etzioni
01:48:42
Athema Etzioni, DVM, MS, Dipl. ACVP (Clinical Pathology)
Rebecca Russo
01:49:12
thank you for joining, Athema!
Athema Etzioni
01:49:29
Tuskegee University College of Veterinary Medicine faculty member if you have any questions. aetzioni@tuskegee.edu
Athema Etzioni
01:49:56
You’re welcome! I am glad to be here.
Ford Barnet
01:50:03
Thank you so much for joining and for your supportive advice tonight Athema
Kiana Green
01:50:13
Thank you!
Athema Etzioni
01:50:18
my pleasure. :)
Dr Hicks-Nelson
01:50:23
Shameless plug for those interested in lab animal/research, the dual degrees at Tufts, happy to chat at ahicksne@stanford.edu. I gotta run great session Tufts folks, glad to be an alumna.
nichole henry
01:50:24
just as a resource I am the president of the Delaware state university vet club. We've been around for a while however we just became accredited by the school this year😁 we have alot of programs if anyone is ever interested our email is (dsuprevet@gmail.com) feel free to contact us for information and videos of our meetings and events!
Takia Williams
01:52:29
Thank you all so much! I appreciate all if the feedback and positive energies! I hope to maybe see you all in the near future!
Takia Williams
01:53:16
And if anyone is applying this year, GOOD LUCK! WE. GOT. THIS :)
Athema Etzioni
01:53:30
Hi Takia, the vet community is relatively close-knit. I am sure we will rub elbows at a conference or two! :)
Takia Williams
01:53:57
Absolutely!
Naomi Henderson
01:54:11
thank you all so much! where will this recording be found again?
Athema Etzioni
01:54:32
I think he said look on Tuft’s website for the recording.
Rebecca Russo
01:54:37
We'll post the recording on the Tufts admissions webpage.
Rebecca Russo
01:55:08
Look for the Summer Panel Series
Ford Barnet
01:55:09
https://vet.tufts.edu/admissions/dvm-admissions/
Kiana Green
01:55:37
Thank you!
Victoria Perez
01:55:39
Thank you for sharing your stories.
elishabuie
01:55:57
Thank you!!!
Alexis Scott
01:56:07
thank you for this discussion
Eryn’s iPad
01:56:08
Thank you!!
Alexa Kravitz
01:56:10
Thank you!
Maria-Victoria Walker-Genovese
01:56:12
thank you!!
D'Nae
01:56:13
Thank you all!
Veronica Sanchez
01:56:14
Thank you everyone!